Season 19, Episode 4: Points

Sisters, virgins, (pants) tents, oh my! Tonight’s episode featured no fewer than three breakdowns from Ashley I., a sociopathic exit from our favorite looney tune, Ashley S., and NO TENT SEX. What the hell, ABC?? I feel betrayed by this season’s previews. Not cool.

Anyway, let’s get down to business.

  • Ashley I.:70 points (stat correction)
    • Crying on camera (25 points)
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Kissing Chris on the lips (10 points)
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
  • Ashley S.: 50 points
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Kissing Chris on the lips (10 points)
    • Saying “I love you” to Chris (30 points)
  • Becca: 35 points
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
  • Britt: 35 points
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
  • Carly: 45 points
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Kissing Chris on the lips (10 points)
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
  • Jade: 140 points (stat correction)
    • Being selected for a one-on-one date (20 points)
    • Crying on camera (25 points)
    • Mentioning a previous fiance (10 points)
    • WILDCARD: Chris saying he could see Jade as his future wife (40 points)
    • Kissing Chris on the lips (10 points)
    • Dancing with Chris (5 points)
    • Attending a private concert (5 points)
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
  • Jillian: 65 points
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Having a body part blurred out at any point (30 points)
    • Crying on camera (25 points)
  • Juelia: 40 points
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Mentioning her kid (5 points)
    • Crying on camera (25 points)
  • Kaitlyn: 80 points
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Having a body part blurred at any point (30 points)
    • Kissing Chris on the lips (10 points)
    • Getting the rose on a group date (30 points)
  • Kelsey: 35 points
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
  • Mackenzie: 35 points (stat correction)
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
  • Megan: 35 points 
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
  • Nikki: 10 points (stat correction)
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
  • Samantha: 35 points (stat correction)
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
  • Whitney: 35 points
    •  Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)

Jillian’s butt bar, I think we’ll miss you most.

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58 thoughts on “Season 19, Episode 4: Points

  1. Lilo says:

    Nikki should only have 10 not 35? She went on the group date only.

  2. CrazeMary says:

    Nikki’s and McKenzie’s scores that might have been last week’s… Check the math.

    Apparently I went out of the room at the wrong moment and missed Ashley’s balcony scene last week. Damn it!

    Nikki had my heart at “was hiking… found this heart-shaped rock”. She probably got it at a gift shop, but a girl can still dream of serendipity! Did she at least ask for it back so it could go to the next love of her life?

    *shrugs* Oh well, on to the traveling stage of the show!

  3. Lilo says:

    Also should McKenzie only have 35? 25 for Rose and 10 for group date

  4. Shannon says:

    Weren’t the wildcard points doubled for making a disparaging comment about Ashley S.? I believe Kaitlyn should have the 20 Points! Our league was drinking every time we herd the word “rose” last night. May have been a little tipsy, they said it a lot!

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      Hi Shannon – we decided not to award last week’s Wildcard points this week. Instead we made this week’s worth 40 points.

      • Shannon says:

        Oh sorry! I didn’t see where you posted what the wildcard points were for this week. What was it? (I blame Malibu Pineapples.)

      • Bach Fantasy says:

        No problem! We tweeted them out a little before 8 pm EST. Wildcard points went to the first girl Chris said he could see himself marrying/see as his future wife.

  5. Steve says:

    A few questions.

    Did Ashley I have any body parts blurred? I thought her back was to the camera.

    I thought Chris first said that he could see himself with Kaitlyn on the campout? Did he actually say he could marry Jade?

    I thought a few of the girls were visibly drunk on the campout and a couple comments were made about it – Ashley S, Meghan

    Technically Ashley S kissed Chris, I don’t think he kissed back, but she did kiss him.

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      Great catch, Steve. I saw a bikini top come off, and immediately gave her those points. You’re right though – we didn’t need anything blurred. I updated her score.

      • Bach Fantasy says:

        Also – we were definitely looking out for drunk behavior. Even though the girls were drinking, nobody exhibited overtly drunk behavior, so we didn’t award points for that.

  6. Bethany says:

    Wait so, how are we doing updates? I’ve been reading the comments and then updating my score sheet. Are you waiting and adding them into the next week’s totals? Gotta make sure I’m not double counting! Being the commish is hard, but important, work.

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      You’re doing God’s work as commissioner, Bethany. Your friends owe you a beer (or several) after the season is over. We’ll put a little “Stat Correction” notice next to the girls whose points have changed since the initial posting but everything should be solidified by this afternoon!

  7. Nick says:

    Not sure Jade deserves the wildcard points. He didn’t actually say that he could see her as his future wife – pretty sure it was just “someone that he could see himself with”

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      We debated this for a bit and were on the fence. Usually, we’re pretty literal and strict with the points. In this case, Chris expressed the sentiment of the wilcard points several times, though he didn’t technically say future wife. We decided to award the points, though you can feel free to leave them out this week.

      • Adam says:

        I believe you guys can’t expect Chris to properly articulate any of the classic Bach one-liners without fumbling over his words, so I fully support the liberal application of points for this category.

    • liz says:

      He also said the same thing about Kaitlin earlier in the episode….

  8. Danielle says:

    Samantha went on the camping group date. They never show her on camera (ever) so hard to say, but her name was on the date card.

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      You’re right! Funny thing is – I rewatched the entire actual date (but not the date card part) to make sure I didn’t miss anything, and didn’t notice that she was even there. Chick needs to cry more or something. She’s like a ghost. Thanks for catching that!

  9. Dan says:

    Jade’s rose should be worth 25 points!

  10. Kelly says:

    Visibly drunk—didn’t Kaitlyn say she was drunk? Y’all are awesome!!!

  11. Paris says:

    I could have sworn Carly cried when she got “emotional” talking with the sisters and then again when she was talking to the camera.

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      Hi Paris – she definitely got emotional. I watched this part a few times to be sure, but there was no moisture. We had to get pretty strict with the crying points otherwise we’d be handing them out like candy.

  12. Ann says:

    Didn’t Jillian get a one-on-one date as well?

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      Hi Ann – we haven’t been giving points to girls who weren’t technically selected for a one-on-one date, but rather won one-on-one time based on a group date activity.

  13. Heather says:

    Does Carly get any points for mentioning 1) her deceased grandpa and 2) her grandparents’ marriage? Or does only parents’ marriage count? Or was I imagining that her grandpa was dead?

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      We decided against awarding the points for grandparents’ marriage – though we did consider it. Ultimately, the points category specifically says parents. I don’t believe she mentioned that her Grandpa was dead.

  14. Heather says:

    Ooo also! Should we do our switch now? You said when it was down to 10 girls. It’s now 11..

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      Glad you’re so on top of the mid-season draft! We are going to post about this this week. Sneak peek: we’re recommending the mid-season draft after episode 5 (next Monday), since it falls right in the middle of the season. Stay tuned for more detail!

  15. Jennifer says:

    Didn’t Britt have a tear or two in the confessional after talking to Chris? Or was that just in a TV teaser?

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      Did a rewatch! No tears but she had LOTS of glittery eyeshadow, so I can see mistaking that for some moisture.

  16. Courtney says:

    Kaitlyn said that Ashley S isn’t here for the right reasons while on camping date. Does it need to be said directly to Chris?

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      Unfortunately, the rule is that it has to be someone telling Chris, i.e. ratting out another girl in the house for “not being here for the right reasons.”

  17. Christine says:

    This is about the scoring template (thank you for sharing that, by the way!)…I was entering this week’s scores and I looked at the grand total, and for some of the girls it’s less than last week’s. Is that happening to anyone else? No one has gotten any penalties or anything, so I don’t know how that could be. Help!

  18. KT says:

    Shouldn’t Carly receive points for mentioning her deceased Grandpa? She said he “was” the kindest man. Pretty sure it was passed tense. Also she cried in front of the sisters no?

    • Allie F. says:

      Both your questions about Carly were answered upthread in responses to Paris and Heather.

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      Hi KT – Carly got emotional, but there were no tears falling. Trust me, I checked several times! In terms of the deceased Grandpa – until she says outright that he is deceased, we stand firm on not awarding points. Maybe he was nice one time, and she was referring to that one in the past tense. We don’t know his life…

  19. Samantha says:

    I’m having the same problem with the template totals for this week. Did we figure out how to fix this?

  20. Lisa says:

    I noticed the formula in the ‘points to date’ row beginning episode 4 is incorrect. All of them are using episode 2’s totals. Is it possible to have a new spreadsheet sent out with the correct formula in the ‘points to date’ rows? Would greatly appreciate your help!

  21. Stephanie says:

    I’m having the same problem with the template. It’s adding this week’s scores to the Week 2 cumulative total rather than adding it to the Week 3 cumulative total.

  22. Stephanie says:

    Figured out the totals problem in the spreadsheet. The formula for the blue total row is formatted to add this week’s total to Episode 2 grand total when it should add it to Episode 3 grand total. This is the way it is formatted for every episode, meaning every week, it will add that episode’s total to Episode 2’s grand total rather than the running total from the week before. You will have to fix it if you want the right totals.

    If you are a novice Excel user, here is the simple (if a little slow) way to fix it. It should take you about 10 minutes to do it this way.

    For week 4, click on the first box of the blue row then look at the formula bar at the top (above the letters at the top of each column; it has fx next to it.) In that formula it says

    =’Ep #2′!D34

    Change the 2 to a 3 (to make it add Episode 3’s total instead of Episode 2’s total) and hit ENTER. Do this for every box on the blue line. (For more advanced users, you can copy the first cell, select the rest of the cells, and paste.) When you finish that page, hit ESCAPE before going to the next tab.

    You will need to do this for every week by changing the number to the previous week’s episode number; i.e. on the Episode 5 tab, you will change the 2 to a 4, on the Episode 6 tab, you will change the 2 to a 5.

    It’s pretty simple but if you are worried about messing it up, just save a second copy and work from that one so you will have a backup copy just in case.

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      Stephanie, you’re amazing! Thanks for taking the time to type that all out. We’re going to post an updated template ASAP, too!

  23. Alicia says:

    I could be mistaken, but it appeared that Jade’s back tattoo was blurred throughout her princess date. It may just have been cover up, but worth a second look.

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      You’ve got eagle eyes, Alicia! I did a rewatch and it looks like cover-up makeup rather than pixelation, but I’ll be on the lookout for that in future episodes. I had no idea she even HAD a back tattoo.

  24. ryann samsel says:

    Do you post what the wild card points are going to be before each week’s episode??

  25. Secret Hometown Boyfriend says:

    Didn’t Jillian kiss Chris on the lips on their 1 on 1 date?

  26. Steven says:

    Just going to post this here for all to enjoy – Kimmel breaks down Chris’ “explanation” to Britt about giving Kaitlyn the rose :

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