Season 21, Episode 5: Points

Wildcard points: 20 puntos to the first lady to tattle about the house drama to Nick. Those immediately went to Corinne who also scooped up “not here for the right reasons” — and that was the first time in YEARS we’ve awarded it.

Also: no hot tub points for the quartet of ladies hanging out in their hotel’s jetted tub, without water and with their street clothes on. That’s not hot tubbing, that’s sitting on furniture. While we’re at it:

  • Mae the Ghost: 80 points
    • Making it to Hometown Dates (50 points)
    • Leaving the show early on her own accord (30 points)

Also also: Stay tuned for another post coming tomorrow (Wednesday) detailing the mid-season draft!

  • Alexis: 45 points – STAT CORRECTION
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Kissing the Bachelor on the lips (10 points)
  • Astrid: 0 points
  • Corinne: 170 points 
    • Wildcard points: first one to tattle to Nick about house drama (20 points)
    • Telling the Bachelor that someone in the house is “not here for the right reasons” (30 points)
    • Kissing the Bachelor on the lips (10 points)
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
    • Being selected to go on a two-on-one date (30 points)
    • Hot tubbing (5 points)
    • Riding on a boat (10 points)
    • Getting the rose on a two-on-one date (40 points)
  • Danielle L.: 30 points – STAT CORRECTION
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Kissing the Bachelor on the lips (10 points)
    • Expressing fear of a date activity (10 points)
  • Danielle M.: 90 points 
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Expressing fear of a date activity (10 points)
    • Kissing the Bachelor on the lips (10 points)
    • Getting the rose on the group date (35 points)
  • Jaimi: 35 points
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
  • Jasmine G: 45 points
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Expressing fear of a date activity (10 points)
  • Josephine: 35 points 
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
  • Kristina: 10 points 
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
  • Rachel: 110 points
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
    • Being selected to go on a one-on-one date (20 points)
    • Kissing the Bachelor on the lips (10 points)
    • Dancing (5 points)
    • Attending a concert (10 points)
    • Mentioning a deceased loved one (10 points)
    • Talking about her parents’ relationship (5 points)
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
  • Raven: 40 points 
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Expressing fear of a date activity (10 points)
    • Saying “I’m falling for/in love with you” to the Bachelor or “I’m falling for/in love with him” to the camera (20 points)
  • Sarah: 25 points 
    • Crying on camera (25 points)
  • Taylor: 130 points 
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
    • Being selected to go on a two-on-one date (30 points)
    • Riding on a boat (10 points)
    • Kissing the Bachelor on the lips (10 points)
    • Interrupting someone’s one-on-one time (5 points)
    • Coming back to the show to beg for another chance (50 points)
  • Vanessa: 45 points
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Expressing fear of a date activity (10 points)
  • Whitney: 45 points 
    • Getting the rose to stay another week (25 points)
    • Being selected to go on a group date (10 points)
    • Expressing fear of a date activity (10 points)

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33 thoughts on “Season 21, Episode 5: Points

  1. Melanie says:

    Happy Tuesday!
    1) I’m dead from the Mae points. So good.
    2) Last night’s episode was my least favorite in Bachelor history. I was so bored. The only good thing is I realized so many front runners are over 30 for the first time ever.
    3) Just a few discrepancies in my spreadsheet from yours – what do you think?:
    -Alexis kissed Nicholas Cage ON Nick on the lips at the end. Does that count?
    -Does Danielle L. get points for “I can see myself falling in love with you”? I forget the precedent on this.
    -I shouldn’t ask about this because Taylor is on my team… but we don’t know if Taylor is going to actually beg for another chance. Maybe she’s just coming back to confront Catty Corinne?! The cliffhangers are killing me. Should we wait till next week till we know the content of her rant?

    Thank you so much as always! Looking forward to hearing what you think.

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      Hi Melanie! All good points, for sure. Last night’s ep did seem to drag on foreverrrrr. Mae was the highlight.

      I didn’t see the Nick-Nicolas Cage kiss! Was it after the credits? My DVR cuts that bit off, so when I don’t watch live (like last night), I miss that little bit. Is he wearing a mask and she kisses him? I’ll count it if so!

      We have decided that the “I see” part before “falling in love” makes it ineligible for that specific points category. So many women have said that this season! Ha. Maybe it should be its own lesser points category next season.

      It’s a good point about Taylor. I might’ve been too trigger-happy awarding her those points when we don’t really know her intentions…however, she did say she needed to talk to Nick about why he let her go, coupled with the fact that she showed up in the middle of their date and asked to speak with Nick makes me feel comfortable keeping those points for her.

      • Austin says:

        Yes, Nick was wearing a Nick Cage mask. Lol.

        I, too, saw Taylor’s return as her simply saying her peace. I think she even voiced that this was her purpose to Nick.

      • Jake says:

        I think the points should be given to Taylor if she actually asks to come back. I don’t think we saw her ask Nick to come back. I saw it as she was coming back to make sure he didn’t continue to believe what Corinne is saying but that she understood that she was still gone.

      • Melanie says:

        Thanks so much. FYI, I’ve decided to hold off on awarding Taylor’s points ’til we see how the CLIFFHANGER is resolved. The jury’s out till then. Perhaps next season we can change the criteria to “Comes back to the show after being eliminated” to be more inclusive because these girls can sometimes be loose cannons and obviously don’t act according to your point system. It’s rude of them.

        As always thank you so much for doing this and for your response!

      • Liza Cassity says:

        My league is redrafting, we have the question… Is Taylor technically considered in? Since her name isn’t crossed out above, some people are wondering if they’ll get the 50 point bonus for having all 5 of their ladies, or if they need to redraft her spot. Thank you!!

    • Rachel says:

      Taylor is on my team too, but yes, I agree she shouldn’t get the points (or not) until next week when we know for sure what her intentions are. She seems to hate Corinne more than she likes Nick, so I could see her just coming back to confront her — or try some of her newly acquired voodoo magic on her.

  2. Talia says:

    Kristina should get 25 points for getting a rose to stay

  3. Derek says:

    Definitely agree that we need some Alexis kissing points, mask or no mask.

    Thanks!

  4. Austin says:

    Was Corinne really hot tubbing? Or just taking a bath?

  5. Caitlin says:

    Hi! Happy Tuesday!

    Post Episode 5 means it’s time for the mid-season draft! (I forget how to do this every season) So my entire league can pick 5 new girls and the ones who still have 5 girls playing get an extra 50 points. Is this correct?

    • Last year each person in my league was able to draft one new person, regardless of how many people they had left. So even if you had 5 left, you could swap someone out. If you chose not to, you got 50 points. Hope this helps!

  6. Keith says:

    Danielle L expressed fear of the date activity. She said “I’m a little freaked out. I do believe in ghosts so this may be a little bit more of a challenge for me today.”

  7. Ellen says:

    Didn’t Raven tell Nick “I fell in love with you when…” Should that qualify for I love you points, not I’m falling in love with you points?

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      No, we reserve the “I love you” points for the strict like, “Nick, I love you.” Because they’re worth so much and they’re a big deal on the show!

  8. Hey! I agree that Danielle L did express fears of the date! And I don’t believe Taylor is coming back to beg for another chance. I think she just wants to say her peace to Nick and move on. And Corinne definitely wasn’t hot tubbing, just bathing herself in the most high maintenance way possible!

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      HAHA I’ll update Danielle L’s points. I was watching her closely and I think she was kinda dancing around expressing fear, but enough ppl think she did, so I’ll update.

      The fact that Taylor returned at all to talk to Nick about why he let her go implies that she wants back on, to me. But you can wait and award those points next week based on their convo, if you like!

      And we have a longstanding tradition of counting bathtub scenes as hot tubbing so long as it’s a tub!

  9. Allie M. says:

    Bach Fantasy Team! Inquiring team commissioner, here! I would love to know how the Corrine/Taylor drama will impact the mid-season draft. Our league has a theory that this could impact the rose ceremony. Specifically, will Corrine even make it to the rose ceremony?

    Looking forward to your thoughts! Thanks for all of your work managing this!

  10. Crystal says:

    This may be a silly question, but can someone please explain to me the Mae points?

  11. Maria Burke says:

    Should taylor get the 50 points coming back? She said she was going to say her piece, but we dont know that she is asking to come back???

    • Bach Fantasy says:

      It’s up to you! I think she earned ’em by coming back to the show after she was let go. Some leagues are going to wait and see until next week to award them but I’m standing by what I posted.

  12. Evelyn H. says:

    I did not get to watch episode 5. I am a little confused as to what the “Mae” points are. Did I miss something?

  13. Evelyn H. says:

    Never mind. I figured it out now that it says “Mae the ghost.”

  14. Rachel says:

    I don’t think Taylor technically begged for another chance (she might next episode but hasn’t yet)

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